Comments on: Fake Buddha Quote: “When words are both true and kind, they can change our world.”

By: bodhipaksa

bodhipaksa — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:37:59 +0000

Of course you probably meant “not even considered” as “not even considered as appropriate” which is of course entirely true.

By: bodhipaksa

bodhipaksa — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:02:29 +0000

You’ve kind of mangled the Buddha’s advice, I’m afraid. One of the key texts here is the Abhaya Sutta in the Majjhima Nikaya, which is actually about how it is OK to say something “true but unpleasant to the listener”: “In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be factual, true, beneficial, but unendearing & disagreeable to others, he has a sense of the proper time for saying them.”

You say “Notice that the possibility of a statement being untrue and yet pleasant is not even considered,” and yet that’s covered in the Abhaya Sutta as well: “In the case of words that the Tathagata knows to be unfactual, untrue, unbeneficial, but endearing & agreeable to others, he does not say them.”

It’s one of my favorite suttas.

By: Balaji

Balaji — Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:29:09 +0000

Actually the criterion is not whether some words can change the world. I don’t think the Buddha cared if words can change the world. He only cared for skillful action and verbal action was one of those. When it came to verbal action, the Buddha was very mindful of how he would speak and there is a very interesting truth table that helps making this decision.

1. If a statement is not true (and unpleasant), don’t say it.
2. If a statement is true but unpleasant to the listener, he would not say it.
3. If a statement is true and pleasant to the listener, he will teach it.

Notice that the possibility of a statement being untrue and yet pleasant is not even considered! Skill in speech is as important as skill in action. But what the Buddha finally taught is skill in mental action (or volition).

Interesting to ponder about the Dhamma in different directions. It just feels so consistent, beautiful and amazing!

By: bodhipaksa

bodhipaksa — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:05:02 +0000

I’m all for poetry, as long as the translation isn’t basically “making stuff up,” which is the case with a number of translations — such as Thomas Byrom’s or Anne Bancroft’s “translations” of the Dhammapada.

By: Bshane

Bshane — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:37:07 +0000

Many quotations attributed to Buddha sound so stilted, I wonder about the translations from Pali to English. Maybe if they were more poetic and less slavish, they would hew more to Jack Kornfield’s paraphrasings in “Buddha’s Little Instruction Book.”

Is that a possibility or just wishful thinking on my part?

By: bodhipaksa

bodhipaksa — Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:26:38 +0000

Hi, Steel.

I’m glad you asked. Even though I said in the article that the quote is from Saddhatissa’s “Before He Was Buddha,” which is true, I’ve now been able to take a look at the book and have found that the quote, which is in a sidebar, is from Jack Kornfield’s “Buddha’s Little Instruction Book” (1994).

If I remember correctly, this isn’t the only quote from BLIB that has become a Fake Buddha Quote. BLIB contains Jack Kornfield’s paraphrasings of Buddhist teachings, expressed very poetically and beautifully, but they are his words and not the Buddha’s. I guess the title throws people off, and sets them up to expect that what they’re reading is quotes from from Buddha rather than Jack’s poetry.

By: steele

steele — Sat, 04 Jun 2011 06:19:53 +0000

What is the quote from then? Or is it entirely made up? Even if someone else made it up, it is still a quote from someone, right? Haha. I like the quote a great deal, personally, whether from Buddha or not.

By: Pearce

Pearce — Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:22:14 +0000

‘why do others pick them up and spread them …’ – Probably for the same reason that some or much of the Christian (and other) scripture has been changed and manipulated by scribes, translators and others. Most are well meaning, that is, they have right intention. Basically though, most of us are unlearned in in translating from Pali. So we rely on other translators. I ask how does a Buddhist know any of the scripture is true, or, at least, what Gotama intended? What I mean is, all of the Buddhist scripture is translated from Pali which is taken from oral tradition. (And the Buddhist document written during the first council and taken to Sri Lanka is apparently written in a Sri Lankan dialect.) This is dicey at best to get the right intention (Gotama’s). From my studies this is why Theravada, the way of the elders, came about. They refused to deviate from the dhamma of Gotama. As a result the Mahayana tradition came about. The point being, when anything is translated many different meanings will develop. Look up the word ‘love’ in your dictionary and see how many meanings are listed for it. Now imagine being a scholar translating this information 400, 1000, or 2500 hundred years from now from English to the current language. Much has to be considered for a proper translation.

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